I Love NY, FBall, Ghetto Revival
-UF v. OSU: Real boring game. OSU got completely outclassed after the Ginn TD return to start the game, obviously. What is interesting about this is that UF was given basically zero chance to win this game, despite playing the toughest schedule any team has played in like five years and going 11-1. Ohio St beat one team all year, UF beat about 4 or 5 great teams. It's impossible to know how these teams from different regions/conferences stack up. Playoff please. This game reminded me a lot of the Lakers/Pistons series in 2004, where the only question going in was "Lakers in four or five?" The outcome seemed like a huge upset, but the process of getting there was entirely uninteresting (Pistons won in 5; UF 41- OSU 14).
I, like you Smalls, only watched the game intermittently, flipping around to several promising new shows that I will delve into a little more in a second. I wanted to contrast the complete indifference toward the game of people up here in New York to the reactions down in Florida. It's not only you and I that don't give a shit about college football up here - it's basically everyone we know up here (save for the Legend). Meanwhile, my sister drove the three hours to Gainesville from Orlando to watch with some Gator folks, and both her and my dad gave me the excited postgame call generally reserved for big Sox/Pats wins. I felt kind of bad as they enthusiastically wanted to rehash the game, mostly because I had no idea what really happened. Plus, I didn't give a shit.
-Yeah, Kiefer acquits himself pretty well on those talk shows. I believe he was on Conan about a year ago discussing how he was on tour with this band he was producing and he got into this story about how he was all hammered and ended up tackling a Christmas tree in the lobby of some hotel. We could probably be friends.
-I guess the Knicks could win the Atlantic, or as Hollinger has taken to saying, "not lose the Atlantic." I'm pretty sure that at this point, when the good West teams play the Celtics, the coaches insist on getting in things like five passes before a shot and only taking off-hand layups to improve dexterity. In fact, the Mavs should only be allowed to play four players at a time anytime they play a team in the Atlantic. Who will win the division? Isn't that kind of like asking who will win the East in the WNBA? Who cares. I'm just pulling for every team that plays the Celtics, so they can lock up a pick just outside the Oden-Durant-Noah troika and get the next Ron Mercer.
-I Love New York: Did you catch the wildly entertaining spinoff of Flavor of Love? Contestants featured included the real life Grimace, a white guy nicknamed Romance who cried every time on camera (obviously an actor, but still hysterical), a guy nicknamed Mr. Boston (again, clearly an actor and pictured here, who, in the preview for next week's show, dribbled a basketball like he was blindfolded), and some dude who looked like a cracked out T.I. and seemed like he was on the verge of capping Mr. Boston. Thanks, VH1.
-The White Rapper Show: A lot like Studio 60, this show could have been awesome given the interesting premise. For the most part, they stay away from making the white guys/girls look like assclowns by steering away from making the tired "this guy's white and he's doing black stuff" jokes, which was a good start. However, they also forget to get people with talent. There is definitely a compelling show in here with the contestants gunning for the respect of established rappers and people in the hood. But it's impossible to believe the scenes that show them
getting that respect, because the rappers are garbage. That said, I think we might have a breakout star on our hands with the guy named John Brown, who appears to be incapable of saying anything other than "Ghetto Revival." Here's a typical exchange (paraphrased) with our man Brown:
Persia: Yo, so what are you talking about with this ghetto revival, you're from Davis, CA?
Brown: You know, like, I'm bringin this ghetto revival.
Persia: Yeah, but what does that mean?
Brown: It's, like, a revival, but in the ghetto.
Persia: ....
Brown: ....
Persia: How can you revive the ghetto when you call yourself the King of the 'burbs?
Brown: Cuz I'm the King of the 'burbs.
Persia: Man, fuck you, you're not a rapper!
Brown: I know, I'm an entity. Ghetto revival, what.
I, like you Smalls, only watched the game intermittently, flipping around to several promising new shows that I will delve into a little more in a second. I wanted to contrast the complete indifference toward the game of people up here in New York to the reactions down in Florida. It's not only you and I that don't give a shit about college football up here - it's basically everyone we know up here (save for the Legend). Meanwhile, my sister drove the three hours to Gainesville from Orlando to watch with some Gator folks, and both her and my dad gave me the excited postgame call generally reserved for big Sox/Pats wins. I felt kind of bad as they enthusiastically wanted to rehash the game, mostly because I had no idea what really happened. Plus, I didn't give a shit.
-Yeah, Kiefer acquits himself pretty well on those talk shows. I believe he was on Conan about a year ago discussing how he was on tour with this band he was producing and he got into this story about how he was all hammered and ended up tackling a Christmas tree in the lobby of some hotel. We could probably be friends.
-I guess the Knicks could win the Atlantic, or as Hollinger has taken to saying, "not lose the Atlantic." I'm pretty sure that at this point, when the good West teams play the Celtics, the coaches insist on getting in things like five passes before a shot and only taking off-hand layups to improve dexterity. In fact, the Mavs should only be allowed to play four players at a time anytime they play a team in the Atlantic. Who will win the division? Isn't that kind of like asking who will win the East in the WNBA? Who cares. I'm just pulling for every team that plays the Celtics, so they can lock up a pick just outside the Oden-Durant-Noah troika and get the next Ron Mercer.
-I Love New York: Did you catch the wildly entertaining spinoff of Flavor of Love? Contestants featured included the real life Grimace, a white guy nicknamed Romance who cried every time on camera (obviously an actor, but still hysterical), a guy nicknamed Mr. Boston (again, clearly an actor and pictured here, who, in the preview for next week's show, dribbled a basketball like he was blindfolded), and some dude who looked like a cracked out T.I. and seemed like he was on the verge of capping Mr. Boston. Thanks, VH1.
-The White Rapper Show: A lot like Studio 60, this show could have been awesome given the interesting premise. For the most part, they stay away from making the white guys/girls look like assclowns by steering away from making the tired "this guy's white and he's doing black stuff" jokes, which was a good start. However, they also forget to get people with talent. There is definitely a compelling show in here with the contestants gunning for the respect of established rappers and people in the hood. But it's impossible to believe the scenes that show them
getting that respect, because the rappers are garbage. That said, I think we might have a breakout star on our hands with the guy named John Brown, who appears to be incapable of saying anything other than "Ghetto Revival." Here's a typical exchange (paraphrased) with our man Brown:Persia: Yo, so what are you talking about with this ghetto revival, you're from Davis, CA?
Brown: You know, like, I'm bringin this ghetto revival.
Persia: Yeah, but what does that mean?
Brown: It's, like, a revival, but in the ghetto.
Persia: ....
Brown: ....
Persia: How can you revive the ghetto when you call yourself the King of the 'burbs?
Brown: Cuz I'm the King of the 'burbs.
Persia: Man, fuck you, you're not a rapper!
Brown: I know, I'm an entity. Ghetto revival, what.
posted by Speckled Trout at
10:42 AM
11 Comments:
i'll absolutely agree with you that college football is underappreciated for the most part in the northeast, but that is solely due to a dearth (i think that's a word) of quality teams. no sport carries more passion or fanfare than college football (go to an SEC game and try to honestly tell me it doesn't absolutely blow any nfl game, including playoffs, out of the water) the fans genuinely give a crap about every single game on the schedule (even against the shitty I-AA oponents because it's a chance to showcase underclassman who will be studs next year), whereas in the nfl who really cares if the jets get smoked in week 7. if you lose a game in college, you're out of the championship picture. on top of that, as flawed as the BCS is, it does succeed in pairing the 2 of the best teams in the country (or at least 2 of the best 4) which is still better than the nfl where a team like the '05 steelers (not even in top 6 last year) was crowned champion. to hammer the point home even further, stories like boise st (too much hype in my opinion) simply cannot occur in the nfl because there is SO much parity. ever "feel good story" in the nfl is processed and manufactured. the saints winning one for new orleans? jerome bettis' last shot at a title? who cares. i'd rather watch the florida DB who suffered from silent seizures as a child
good use of the word 'troika'
legend -
are you really arguing that the BCS is better than the NFL playoffs? The 2005 Steelers, while not the most talented team in the league, beat a series of good teams to get to the Super Bowl. Then, they beat unquestionably the best team in the NFC.
If there was a playoff system in CFB, and a team like Boise State makes an improbable run to the title, beating Michigan, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Miami, and USC along the way, then they are the best team. What are you talking about????? ZERO people think that system is better than the current NFL playoff setup because 12 teams play against one another until one true winner emerges.
have you ever heard the word "troika" used in reference to a menage a trois?
It's 100% better. Can you actually sit there on your high horse and argue that the 12 best teams in the nfl make the playoffs. The Bengals and Broncos are both clearly better than any team in the nfc except for the bears, and even that's being generous considering rex "i make bad decisions" grossman is at the helm. nfl games are uncompelling because there really are no upsets (would you honestly be THAT surprised if the Texans beat the Colts...exactly) Whereas a team like Kansas St upsetting Texas or Oregon St upsetting USC is monumental and completely shifts the national title landscape.
i wonder if anyone who argues that CFB does not need a playoff would make an argument for college basketball to ditch the tournament for a system completely based on rankings and one game playoffs (bowls). i can't understand any argument for keeping the bowls, not that anybody here suggested keeping them. i guess this was a side thought to the discussion.
the difference between the bowl system and college bball's tourney is simply that in bball you're expected to lose along the way. coaches don't prepare their teams for each game to nearly the level cfb coaches do. each game is a huge entity is cfb. scout teams will run the opponent's defense all week, new plays and schemes will be added the offense to counter the opposition, etc. plus in bball you can play 3 nights in a row and widdle from 64 down to 8 teams, whereas there's no way that could happen in cfb. i'm for a playoff btw, i think the top 8 bcs teams should play, but to play devil's advocate the bowl system now does have its advantages. a charging stampede of rhinosauruses couldn't have pried me away from the tv during the hawaii bowl 2 weeks ago, but with a playoff system, all those other bowls would feel like the NIT tourney
legend -
You are way off here. True, there are many more upsets in college football. But there are also many more teams, many more games, and, therefore, more upsets. Was I surprised when the Texans beat the Colts? Absolutely. The Colts had beaten them all 11 previous times they have played, and were like 14 point favorites. Does that not qualify as a huge upset? What is the NFL equivalent of Florida State losing to Northern Illinois? The Chargers losing to the New York Dragons of the arena league? Gimme a break. Most football fans would argue that it's better that there is parity in the NFL because any team truly can win on any given Sunday.
Are you even understanding what you are writing about the NFL playoffs? For one, a playoff system is the best way to determine which is the best team. Period. I have already explained this, and it's a simple concept that does not need to be rehashed again. Secondly, 1/3 of the league makes it! For CFB, that would be like having 32 colleges in a huge playoff. There's no high horse here. Can YOU actually sit there and say that Boise State has no legitimate claim to a title even though they did not lose a game (and won a big bowl)? Maybe they are like the 2005 Steelers on which you previously hated. Wouldn't you WANT to see how that all plays out?
Look at the facts. You are wrong. You can defend the college game all you want. You can defend team spirit, higher upset potentital, etc. as possibly strengths versus professional ball (even though most football fans disagree with you). But no one in their right minds would say that the BCS is better than the NFL playoff system.
You say that are in favor of an 8 team playoff. That tells me (1) you actually believe a playoff system is better than what is currently in place; and (2) that your 8 team suggestion will STILL be inferior to the 12 team participation in the NFL.
What the hell is your argument?
Check yourself.
dear legend,
i agree with all your ideas about college football's current system. in fact, i think i'll write about it in my espn column two weeks ago.
love,
Chuck Klosterman
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=klosterman/070103
indeed trout, i used klosterman's article as a counterpoint for the argument(i'll include a bibliography with posts from now on, alphabetized of course). smalls my entire point is that yes, i believe a playoff system IS superior to a bowl system HOWEVER, what i was trying to say is that even with a bowl system, cfb is still far superior to the nfl with its current playoff system. you're turning this into a bowl vs playoffs debate and trying to avoid the real argument which is cfb vs nfl. and how can you honestly say parity is a good thing? the single greatest thing in sports is the stunning upset. i honestly can't remember the last nfl game that kept me on the edge of my seat the entire game (don't even try to argue jets-pat II this year) whereas in the past 2 cfb seasons alone, the boise st-ou, usc-texas (rose bowl), and usc-nd (2005) were arguably the 3 most riveting football games of our lifetimes. and when you say "most football fans", lets say what you really mean which is fans in the northeast and parts of the west coast because almost everywhere else in the country cfb is as popular or more popular. and to go beyond that, "most football fans" don't know the difference between fullback dive and a halfback toss, over two thirds have never played an actual down of the game themselves, so lets leave out public opinion and stick to the 2 sports themselves. type slow...
If that's the case, we will have to agree to disagree. Parity makes EVERY game interesting/watchable. Whereas with CFB, it does not matter to me if UF beats Florida A&M by 21 or by 56. If you're team goes 0-11 this year, they are probably going to be a shitty team for the next century. In the NFL, the Jets can go 4-12, then win 10 games and make the playoffs the following season. That's the argument for parity.
Your 9 sentence diatribe ripping the NFL's playoff system makes no sense if you agree that playoffs is better than the BCS. Next time you want to make a point like "college football is better than the NFL," please use this format: "I prefer college football because..." This way, you will be able to make a point that is not ultimately contradictory. (Note: your final point was: "my entire point is that yes, i believe a playoff system IS superior to a bowl system HOWEVER, what i was trying to say is that even with a bowl system, cfb is still far superior to the nfl with its current playoff system.") Are you not saying that the problem here is the NFL's playoff system? That is certainly what it looks like to me. I did not turn this debate into the BCS v. NFL Playoffs - you did.
The last thing I wanted to point out: You said of the BCS, "it does succeed in pairing the 2 of the best teams in the country (or at least 2 of the best 4) which is still better than the nfl where a team like the '05 steelers (not even in top 6 last year) was crowned champion." So we see 2 of the best 4 teams play for a title? How is that better than seeing the top 1/3 of the NFL play one another to determine a champion? I thought one of the reasons you preferred CFB was the upsets. How huge of an upset is it when the team ranked 2 out of 100+ D-I schools beats the team ranked #1? The Steelers came out of nowhere (not ranked in the top 6 of 32, according to you)
and beat the best teams in the NFL. Another blatant contradiction.
As far as I am concerned, the CFB season and playoff system are so inherently flawed that the sport's merits versus the NFL are not worth debating.
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